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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Bob, Dec 30, 2019.

  1. Bob

    Bob Active Member

    Damn nice pic! Scarcer than hen's teeth though like you say. I'd probably have more chance of finding an old 750 HAT.

    I've been poking around a bit to see if anyone's put a slightly longer swing arm and dual sport suspension on a UMJ as that's one of the rabbit holes I've found myself going down lately. Anyone know if that in combination with an 18" rear and 21" front is doable? I have no idea about frame engineering and such so wouldn't want to solve a suspension travel problem but create serious handling issues. Anyone got experience at that? Know how long a swing arm could/should be lengthened? (HP2 Enduro swing arm is "longer" than the R1200GS but need to find out by how much just for reference.)

    Wondering about that led me to the 'scrambler' vids below which seem to use dual-sport suspension on a UMJ platform.
    The stock ergos below wouldn't work for me... bars too low, seat/pegs a bit close to each other for my knees, needs wider pegs and some proper rims but the stock setup seemed to work ok for the rider and his 35 year old self.
    In all fairness he has congenital osteoporosis and has developed osteoarthritis plus he sprung rib from a little biff in Alaska:
     
  2. RossKean

    RossKean Active Member

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  3. Bob

    Bob Active Member

    The 2019's are here if any inmates are in the market...
    https://classifieds.castanet.net/details/2019_royal_enfield_int650_mark_three/4067181/
     
  4. Bob

    Bob Active Member

    Yep, this bike ticks a lot of the boxes for sure.
    Looks like @HerrDeacon sold one recently so he might give you his experience with it if asked.
    Paging HerrDeacon...
     
  5. RossKean

    RossKean Active Member

    If I go that route, I would probably buy new. I think there was a significant upgrade in 2019. 19" front wheel among other things. But it might mean some good deals on earlier versions. Would have to look into costs for hard bags and Adv. mods... This bike wasn't even on my radar until I recently read someone's positive feedback on it.
     
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  6. skibum69

    skibum69 Well-Known Member

    Rally Raid in the UK makes farkles for it, look for Jenny Morgan's writeups about it on ADV, she's done a lot of time on them. She's J'Mo & piglet on there.
     
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  7. Trash

    Trash Active Member

    I am afraid that the 49.6 hp might leave you wanting a little(?) more whilst fully loaded, out West.
    My BMW F700GS had 75 hp, and I rated that barely adequate in those conditions, especially when fighting a significant cross wind, not uncommon out there...
     
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  8. skibum69

    skibum69 Well-Known Member

    Bullshit, my 50 hp 640 Adventure does just fine loaded or not.
     
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  9. RossKean

    RossKean Active Member

    All depends on if you are having fun on secondary roads at 80 km/hr or if you are trying to safely keep up with interstate traffic at 140 km/hr in some places in the USA. Heavily loaded and especially in a strong headwind, 50 hp wouldn't cut it. Difficult for any bike to tick ALL the boxes. The ideal machine for a cross continent run will never be the best one for the Haul Road or a dirt path through the woods. I understand those who elect to ship the "right" bike to the riding destination and meet up with it. I will end out with a compromise bike since I don't expect to ride under the most challenging conditions but adequate hp for longer distance transit to destination will be important.
     
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  10. Bob

    Bob Active Member

    Apart from lack of parts and distances between major service centres up North, a big consideration is extraction costs if bike and/or rider are unable to continue. If you're on a 'good bike' that you can't leave behind getting it and yourself back home would surely blow the average rider's trip budget. Think crash, catastrophic mechanical failure, medical emergency, or emergency at home as major buzz kills. I have BCAA coverage and get additional trip insurance, but that only gets your bike to the nearest garage and you to the nearest hospital.

    So, I thought why not get an old reliable bike with UJM ergos, tweak it a bit for dirt roads (maybe better suspension, pegs, bar risers, hand guards etc.) I know I'd be much more relaxed on something I could leave behind for a Season if necessary, or maybe strip the few farkles off and sell the bike up there if I had to.

    Unfortunately not sure a UJM can handle much extra rear suspension tho. Right now I'm trying to understand the relationship between sprocket, counter sprocket, suspension travel and chain wear on the swing arm as well as swing arm length on handling.
    Like I said I need to talk to some local suspension folks about that. A UJM setup probably won't get much better suspension travel than the 'scrambler' in the vid above. In my car it's be pointless to spend $crambler $$$ on a 'walk away' bike, but ok to have a closer look for future reference tho, right?

    I think horsepower needs depend on where and how you ride. It's been my experience that 80hp is adequate for me solo on most serviced roads (except maybe for a headwind in the Dalles area or over around Lethbridge AB. LOL).

    Also if you mod the bike outside the manufacturer's specs you may be handing your insurance company a free claim deniability card if you crash, so I have to give that some more thought as well.

    I think if I can sort out the suspension first the rest will fall into place. Needs to handle 'surprise' sand, loose gravel, loose gravel atop pavement, loose gravel on sand, loose gravel on loose gravel. Also river rocks, wash boards, pot holes, mud and ruts all with more small medium and large loose gravel without upsetting bike... and rider :)
     
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  11. skibum69

    skibum69 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, if I'd kept going last year I'd have blown up in the middle of nowhere and life would have been much worse.
     
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  12. Bob

    Bob Active Member

    You made the right call to pull the plug and cut your losses for sure. I know I would've found that hard to do.
     
  13. RossKean

    RossKean Active Member

    Given the "mission" for a bike like this, ultimate reliability is number one. A high mileage "beater" might be OK for reasonably local riding but not for a long trip to anywhere - especially if any distance from civilization. I wouldn't consider anything with a poor reliability rating or with a non-existent dealer/parts network.
     
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  14. skibum69

    skibum69 Well-Known Member

    I certainly was bummed to have to call it but in the end it was only $$ and another story to tell. Unfortunately it also meant my "I made it to Tuk" sticker has to stay hidden away.:p
     
  15. Wayne

    Wayne Well-Known Member

    I bought a sticker "I survived the TLH" in Goose Bay. But was warned not to apply it until I finished the entire TLH.
    An ADV inmate didn't listen to this warning and to make a long story short, he had to remove the sticker from his bike!
     
  16. skibum69

    skibum69 Well-Known Member

    I have a Labrador sticker on my 640A. Funny I didn't get it when I was there on my bike, I had to wait until I was back later.
    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Bob

    Bob Active Member

    Agreed RossKean. Reliability is #1... without breaking the bank.
    At this point I'm still thinking stone age technology that I just can't kill, plugs, filters, bulbs etc. available at any gas station.
    Plenty of good sensible bike choices suggested here already, starting to look for low cost, low mileage, low maintenance.
    My preference is a chain driven air/oil cooled twin. Hopefully get away with just carb and suspension upgrades.
    If I go with thumper I think it'll need to be liquid cooled to handle the highway miles so maybe an older KLR with a couple upgrades.
    Third choice would be an air cooled thumper, maybe XR650L but need to do more research on if they can be set up to handle long highway miles.
    Fourth choice might be an older 1200 Sportster. You can really flog those suckers, I kid you not, I could make that work.
    If there was the bike equivalent of 'No Name Foods' I'd go with that. Problem now is all the bike manafacturers have gotten so 'proprietary', right down to fasteners, tire selection, tools, crash protection, luggage, farkles etc. I guess that's where they make their money.
    Not looking for an 'ideal bike' as I'm pretty happy with my GS for now. I just don't want to take it back up into that calcium chloride and pound the daylights out of it again. Sin.
     
  18. skibum69

    skibum69 Well-Known Member

    Why do you never see guys doing RTW etc on XR's or XL's?
     
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  19. TonisToo

    TonisToo Active Member

    What he said.
     
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  20. skibum69

    skibum69 Well-Known Member

    Hi Tony
     

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